Fight to KO! Deku and Bakugo vs the rest of the class. Current versions, let’s assume the two have come to an understanding and can work as a team. Who wins???

Class 1 A. Todoroki is a threat on his own to either individually. I don't see Midoriya or Bakugo soloing the rest of there class. I could also see others like Kirashima, Tokoyami, Kamanari, and Yayourozo being potential problems.

They're not beating the whole class.

Most of the class is pretty much fodder if we're tbh. The duo does lose but they put up a decent fight before that happens.

Todoroki either beats or stalls either one, and the rest of the class can solidly beat the one who’s left.

Give them one more non-fodder classmate and Deku/Baku would be able to do it. But there are too many impressive classmates for either to solo the whole class.

@jmarshmallow: an inexperienced and weaker deku was stalemating todoroki for a while, deku imo is more impressive now than the entire class when you take things into account like his fight with muscular and shoot style which we’ve seen take out a small mountain in a recent episode. I think his physicality coupled with his critical analysis and knowledge of his classmates can give him the win even against todoroki and tokoyami. He knows more about his classmates powers than his classmates know about his... I think this fight is potentially closer than you think

Deku can't fight that way anymore. Its why he made shoot style. His arms are too badly damaged.

Class 1 A.

@jashro44: yeah he can fight better than that now. Again with shoot style he crushed a small mountain, no broken bones, no worse for wear, not in the least bit tired. He’s not limited by breaking fingers anymore and now he’s more speed based. He’s a far better fighter than he was during the sports festival

I'm not current with the anime so I'm not sure what you mean by small mountain. I don't recall such a feat in the manga. I would be surprised if he could smash through Todorokis ice with 5%. 20% maybe, but even than he can only use it for brief moments and its still a challenge for him to maintain. It took 100% smashes to bust Todoroki's ice and send him skidding across the ring, which he stopped by using ice of his own. I don't think Midoriya will pack as much power in his punches as he was during the sports festival.

While Deku is more efficient now, at the same time so is Todoroki now that he isn't using half his power and he no longer freezes himself, slowing down his movements. Plus Deku still didn't win against Todoroki. If he stalls todoroki like he did during the sports festival and tries to make it an endurance match he wont hold out because not only is his body more damaged than it was before, but Todoroki has a lot of backup. It doesn't take much for someone to provide interference to give Todoroki and opening. Even something like Jiro blasting Midoriya with her sound waves, or Mineta throwing one of his balls at midoriya while he isn't paying attention, or Sero wrapping him with tape could be distracting, will give Todoroki an opening. It doesn't even have to be a good distraction, just something which distracts Deku for a split second.

@firestarlord73194: I would argue that shoot style doesn’t have as much raw power as his technique when he fought Todoroki, but it’s a better style simply because it doesn’t damage him.

Todoroki has improved as well, and at the very least he can stall long enough for the class to beat the other one.

@firestarlord73194: When did Deku destroy a mountain?

@juiceboks: during the hero license exam. He kicked a small mountain to bits with shoot style and the other students commented that he destroyed a mountain. It happened sometime within the past 2 episodes iirc.

"foothold" that's not a mountain lol

@vegetasan: they size in the show was larger and they specifically called it a mountain. Anyways doesn’t matter cuz in either case it goes to show deku can easily destroy any ice shoto produces without bones breaking

Class 1A beats them.

@firestarlord73194: That wasn't a mountain lol. That wasn't even a building-sized rock.

class 1A stomps.

todoroki alone should be able to stalemate them. with the rest of the class e. g. iida, tokoyami, momo, kirishima, Kaminari etc. it's a guaranteed stomp.

Todoroki would arguably get solo'd by current Deku. Tokoyami gets hard countered by Bakugou, Momo could get one shotted by either, and Kaminari's physicals are unimpressive(so again the duo could again one shot him).

I agree the class wins but most of the people you brought up aren't even impressive.

@firestarlord73194: I don’t think you know what a mountain is...

@thewatcherking: todoroki isn't losing to deku anytime soon. Current deku doesn't have anything close to the raw power to counter todoroki's casual ice constructs (he needed 100% one for all to even push back todoroki). In terms of speed, todoroki has reacted to both stain and recipro boost iida (who is easily the current fastest in class 1A) so any arguments of deku blitzing is dead on arrival. And lastly todoroki has something neither deku nor bakugo have; theoretically limitless stamina. Both bakugo and deku can MAYBE match todoroki 's full power output if they worked together but neither can spam extremely destructive abilities without suffering damage unlike todoroki who can spam it all day long.

Tokoyami is a bad match up for bakugo but a good match up for deku whereas iida with his speed, high physical stats and use of cqc can at the very least give bakugo high duff on his own.

@thewatcherking: sorry for the late reply. had work to do.

1) all evidence suggests that deku needs 100% to at least push back a serious ice attack from todoroki. Iirc during the sport festival arc when todoroki got close and used an ice attack, deku had to use 100% Detroit smash just to push todoroki back and couldn't even force him out of bounds.

I do believe todoroki's "difficulty" against speedy and agile opponents is being exaggerated.

He came second in the obstacle course at the sporting festival arc ahead of bakugo.

https://www.mangareader.net/boku-no-hero-academia/26/19

he reacted to recipro boost from close range

https://www.mangareader.net/boku-no-hero-academia/41/16

he even intercepted bakugo during their battle while operating below his regular fighting capability as aizawa noted.

https://www.mangareader.net/boku-no-hero-academia/43/5

https://www.mangareader.net/boku-no-hero-academia/43/6

https://www.mangareader.net/boku-no-hero-academia/43/7

while stain did eventually get the best of him, todoroki did react to stain multiple times and performed much better solo than both iida and 5% deku.

https://www.mangareader.net/boku-no-hero-academia/53/8

https://www.mangareader.net/boku-no-hero-academia/53/9

Not to mention he had to protect iida and native from stain hence he didn't have the luxury of mobility.

https://www.mangareader.net/boku-no-hero-academia/53/7

as for moon fish, todoroki was too busy carrying an unconscious student and protecting bakugo from getting skewered by moonfish to actually fight back. not to mention as todoroki noted, the surroundings were advantageous to moon fish while leaving him and bakugo unable to fight back.

https://www.mangareader.net/boku-no-hero-academia/78/7

https://www.mangareader.net/boku-no-hero-academia/78/8

https://www.mangareader.net/boku-no-hero-academia/78/9

2) filler is filler. and while bakugo and deku might be able to close the distance, they can't come at him from the left due to his flames and if they tried coming from the fight, they might get flash frozen.

3) obviously todoroki can't use his powers forever. he can however spam large scale attacks on a much greater scale and to a more frequent degree than either bakugo and deku with nigh zero physical damage to himself unlike the duo. this gives him a huge advantage given his intelligence and judgement skills which deku acknowledged as being just as powerful as his quirk.

yeah, todoroki can't fight well with the class around him. the scenario I envisioned was one where the rest of the class backed off and left the duo to him.

4) tokoyami isn't an idiot. he is obviously gonna avoid taking on bakugo directly and given that iida is around, I don't see bakugo getting the chance either. not to mention kirishima who can tank bakugo's blasts (atleast until his quirks weakness of crumbling starts to manifest) .even without todoroki, deku and bakugo get overwhelmed here.

No credit for Uraraka?

Uuummmmm......

Are we forgetting about Todoroki?

Tokoyami,Kirishima,Denki,Momo?

I'm not sleeping on anyone else is just Todoroki will give them a challenge on his own.

Isn't Deku supersonic with FC by this point? Surely he blitzes? Most o 1A have a range of versatile quriks but their stats fodder tier. The only character that wouldn't get insta blitzed is Ida and maybe Tokiyomi. Bakugou can take care of Todoroki

@kroczilla:

all evidence suggests that deku needs 100% to at least push back a serious ice attack from todoroki. Iirc during the sport festival arc when todoroki got close and used an ice attack, deku had to use 100% Detroit smash just to push todoroki back and couldn't even force him out of bounds.

No, for starters Deku's 100% smash didn't touch Todoroki's ice, the air pressure alone is what hit it. And upon hitting his ice structures they were instantly shattered, Todoroki just created more ice behind himself to not be blown out of bounds. If he were to directly hit Todoroki's ice structures he shouldn't need 100%, since 100% was literally one shotting the ice with the flick of Deku's finger.

I do believe todoroki's "difficulty" against speedy and agile opponents is being exaggerated.

He came second in the obstacle course at the sporting festival arc ahead of bakugo.

I'm not sure why his running speed has any relevence.

he reacted to recipro boost from close range

And was tagged right afterwards.

while stain did eventually get the best of him, todoroki did react to stain multiple times and performed much better solo than both iida and 5% deku.

Fair enough, I wasn't saying Todoroki would be helpless, although anyone who can close the distance against Todoroki would have an advantage against him.

as for moon fish, todoroki was too busy carrying an unconscious student and protecting bakugo from getting skewered by moonfish to actually fight back.

Fair point but...

not to mention as todoroki noted, the surroundings were advantageous to moon fish while leaving him and bakugo unable to fight back.

The surrounding just didn't allow him to use his flames, he still had trouble tagging Moonfish(he didn't at all actually) with his ice due to his sheer mobility and use of the environment.

filler is filler.

Which cares some weight.

and while bakugo and deku might be able to close the distance, they can't come at him from the left due to his flames and if they tried coming from the fight, they might get flash frozen.

So what's stopping Bakugou from using his stun grenade? Deku has already seen through Todoroki's fighting style with ice, so getting past his ice attacks at 8% shouldn't be implausible. Fire could likely be redirected due to air pressure attacks, which Deku can use now without damaging himself. Todoroki can't be going all out with his ice or fire, so that needs to be taken into consideration. While Todoroki is restricted due to being on a large team Bakugou isn't, and could use moves like this to put the class on the defense

While deku closes the distance to take out the weaker members of class a.

obviously todoroki can't use his powers forever. he can however spam large scale attacks on a much greater scale and to a more frequent degree than either bakugo and deku with nigh zero physical damage to himself unlike the duo. this gives him a huge advantage given his intelligence and judgement skills which deku acknowledged as being just as powerful as his quirk.

While true, as I've said he is at a disadvantage here if anything.

There will be no large scale attacks from Todoroki.

yeah, todoroki can't fight well with the class around him. the scenario I envisioned was one where the rest of the class backed off and left the duo to him.

If that's the case the duo stomp. Deku would already knows how to get around his ice, and likely knows how to counter his fire since he has seen it. Even if we say he hasn't Bakugou is an intelligent fighter too, who knew how to counter Todoroki's powers just fine in their fight. Both Deku and Bakugou can one shot Todoroki, if even one of them distracts Todoroki then the other can get the drop on him and beat him.

tokoyami isn't an idiot. he is obviously gonna avoid taking on bakugo directly

Bakugou isn't going to give him a choice once he uses the stun grenade to disorent the clsss.

and given that iida is around, I don't see bakugo getting the chance either.

Bakugou can tank hits from 5-8% Deku and a holding back All Might, Tenya is fast but would have trouble putting Bakugou down. AoE attacks can be used to tag Tenya if nothing else.

not to mention kirishima who can tank bakugo's blasts (atleast until his quirks weakness of crumbling starts to manifest)

True.

.even without todoroki, deku and bakugo get overwhelmed here.

I agree that they get overwhelmed, I just think they're good enough to put up a fight before losing.

@thewatcherking: 1) first off, the ice glaciers which deku shattered with 100% finger flick pressure weren't even close to todoroki 's max output.

https://www.mangareader.net/boku-no-hero-academia/38/5

second, deku with said finger flick couldn't still completely shatter the ice once todoroki decided to get serious and close the distance.

https://www.mangareader.net/boku-no-hero-academia/38/11

their, 100% air pressure has more power than what deku can currently output. not to mention, todoroki was also not using anything close to his max ice output

here's the air pressure from 100% deku (using his fists)

https://www.mangareader.net/boku-no-hero-academia/38/13

not how whilst it was powerful, it didn't even get a reaction from the crowd.

now compare to todoroki's max output.

https://www.mangareader.net/boku-no-hero-academia/34/19

even present mic couldn't believe what he was seeing. dude damn near smashed through the entire stadium.

point is, no one in class 1 A can counter the output of 100% todoroki sans 100% deku. and yes, that includes bakugo;

https://www.mangareader.net/boku-no-hero-academia/43/2

2) yeah, iida tagged todoroki in a second try but himself tagged in literally the same instant he landed the kick.

https://www.mangareader.net/boku-no-hero-academia/41/18

https://www.mangareader.net/boku-no-hero-academia/41/19

any blow they MIGHT land from getting close brings the risk of incapacitation.

3) well todoroki's ice was fast enough to intercept moon fish's attacks. they were pretty much a stalemate. not to mention, moonfish was part of the league of villians vanguard squad I. e. villians strong enough to take on top heroes.

and bruh, filler is filler. except made canon by the author, it has no weight.

4) deku fought a todoroki who was focused on countering the raw power of 100% one for all. current deku doesn't utilize said raw power anymore hence todoroki would obviously change tactics too. and the only wind shown to be strong enough to deflect todoroki's fire was that of inasa whose raw power is easily above what 8% deku has. not to mention merely having his left side blazing without using fire attacks leave deku and bakugo with no choice but to come at him from the right where he can go all out with ice attacks thanks to his temperature being regulated by his left.

5) the only sure way deku knew how to get around the ice was to smash them. he can't do that without going 100%. not to mention, todoroki is also capable of precise ice attacks as he showed in the fight with iida. bakugo's plan against todoroki relied on todoroki's reluctance to use his left side and he ultimately won because todoroki literally handed the victory to him. none of those will be a factor here.

I know Deku and Bakugo are the best in Class 1A but they're not taking the rest of the class out by themselves.

Nope. Shoto is enough to 1v1 Bakugo and possibly win, and then Kirishima, Tokoyami, Iida, Kaminari, Tsu, and Yaomomo can all swarm Izuku and beat him in an endurance match.