Sasuke can only activate the basic sharringan

shinji can only use his shikai

standard rules

Pre ems sasuke

How is Shinji supposed to have a chance at all here?

Sasuke one-shots.

Sasuke stomps.

Mismatch.

@midnightdragon18: is this eos sasuke or pre ms sasuke?

@kroczilla: does it matter ? He can only use the basic sharringan

Chidori

GG

@midnightdragon18: it does though. Eos sasuke would rip shinji apart with or without a sharingan

Eos sasuke would stomp shinji, even at base.

@midnightdragon18: Sasuke's basic melee vaporizes rock and Divine Tree in such a large area he's invisible next to it. From just punches n kicks, no amps.

Updated to pre ems sasuke

Depends on whether shinji uses sakanade first or sasuke gets him in genjutsu.

Shinji definately has the raw power advantage. He should be able to win if he abuses his flight advantage and spams ceros.

Shinji's shikai would be useless against sharingan, I can see sasuke being able to either break the "genjutsu" or he's able to figure it out instantly anyway. I'm not saying he's anywhere near as intelligent as Aizen, but Aizen figured it out after two hits. He said that when it comes down to it, melee skill was the only thing that mattered against Shinji's shikai (or something along those lines).

Since it's pre ems Sasuke (as per update), it's going to be mainly taijutsu. This won't be a stomp without susanoo. But I still think Sasuke will win fairly easily, he's just showed far greater fighting skill.

In saying that, bleach characters can fly. And if we're going to be extra pedantic, would Sasuke even be able to see Shinji since he's a shinigami? Hmmm

Sakanade is not a genjutsu. How Sasuke supposed to negate a zanoakotu's shikai

Aizen beat Sakanade by using his own shikai and trapping Shinji in it's illusion. Hence why he said that "KS is farcry from sakanade"

@gxrevs06: Prove that Shinji's shikai doesn't act the same way as genjutsu. Like Kyoka Suigetsu, it's never explicitly said how the sensory manipulation happens. It may be controlled through reishi manipulation (i.e. genjutsu), they're different universes so it's a pretty bold statement to claim that it's one way or the other.

You're right about the second statement though, I had a look at the fight again. But Aizen was catching on pretty quickly without Kyoka Suigetsu.

Does this look like an eye technique to you?

> wiki states Shinji's shikai is an "optical illusion".

> basic Sharingan's ability is to see through illusions.

Yeah, Sasuke takes this.

@godren: Genjutsu isn't just eye techniques.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Genjutsu

@coolang4:Of course there are other forms I'm talking about sasuke specifically.

@godren: Huh? The sharingan sees through all genjutsu. The form is irrelevant.

@thevivas: sakanade doesnt just cause optical illusions. Shinji later improved the ability such that even the words heard are heard bakwards and it also causes disorientation, loss of equilibrumand nausea. The sharingan isnt dealing with all that.

And shinji doesnt just need to rely n sakanade. He still has the raw power advantage, flight and ceros powerful enough to kill base grimmjow i.e. this version of sasuke isnt surviving a one hit from shinji.

Sasuke gets his head sliced off.

@thevivas: Abandon thread

Sasuke stomps bye bye

It's not the same as genjutsu. Sakanade doesn't just with the senses, it literally reverses everything in'ts area of effect including sense of direction. Up literally becomes down and down becomes up. Left becomes and vice versa. Even Shinji's words are backwards. Last time I checked, Genjutsu does not do that. Oh and Sakanade emits a scent and those that smell become trapped in. Genjutsu is an eye technique

you guys the wiki is wrong. it's not an optical illusion. it was never stated to have anything to do with optics. it reverses the senses, it has nothing to do with TP or Genjutsu. It's more like a drug. Anyway he doesn't need it. Hebi Sasuke (this is him since no ms or ems) isn't hanging with Shinji. Maybe in speed but he tries to block attacks from him and gets sent flying.

Sasuke stomps of course