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#1
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UFC rules. This is before Erik took the herb.


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#2
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I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.












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#3
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@the_magister said:

I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.



Ricardo is primarily an MMA fighter so personally I think he has more skills for H2H.












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#4
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The_Magister
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@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.


So this is what Diaz has going for him:


  • A "bully" style of combat

  • Willing to play extremely dirty

  • Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)

  • Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver

As for Erik:


  • Accolades, training, and implied skill

  • Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)

  • Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)

  • Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)

imo, this really could swing either way.












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#5
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- 1 month, 18 days ago
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@the_magister: Great post.












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#6
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jayc1324
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- 1 month, 18 days ago
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@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).


I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.












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#7
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- 1 month, 18 days ago
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Eric is severely lacking in H2H feats. We can't really transfer the contest since he said he had been preparing for it and logically was very skilled at using those weapons.












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#8
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Close.












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#9
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- 27 days, 18 hours ago
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Killmonger is featless without the herb. He loses












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#10
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DeathStrokeFan1626
(230 posts)
- 27 days, 13 hours ago
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Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.












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#11
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bleidd
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- 27 days, 12 hours ago
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Killmonger has no unarmed feats but he's better than Diaz via implied skill. I'd say 50/50.















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CW Ricardo Diaz vs MCU Killmonger in the Octagon















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#1
Posted by

The_Hajduk
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- 1 month, 18 days ago
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UFC rules. This is before Erik took the herb.


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#2
Posted by

The_Magister
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- 1 month, 18 days ago
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I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.












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#3
Posted by

The_Hajduk
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- 1 month, 18 days ago
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@the_magister said:

I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.



Ricardo is primarily an MMA fighter so personally I think he has more skills for H2H.












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#4
Posted by

The_Magister
(11602 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
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@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.


So this is what Diaz has going for him:


  • A "bully" style of combat

  • Willing to play extremely dirty

  • Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)

  • Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver

As for Erik:


  • Accolades, training, and implied skill

  • Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)

  • Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)

  • Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)

imo, this really could swing either way.












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#5
Posted by

The_Hajduk
(4140 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
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@the_magister: Great post.












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#6
Posted by

jayc1324
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- 1 month, 18 days ago
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@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).


I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.












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#7
Posted by

Kevd4wg
(8879 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
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Eric is severely lacking in H2H feats. We can't really transfer the contest since he said he had been preparing for it and logically was very skilled at using those weapons.












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#8
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- 27 days, 18 hours ago
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Close.












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#9
Posted by

TheTruthIII
(2868 posts)
- 27 days, 18 hours ago
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Killmonger is featless without the herb. He loses












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#10
Posted by

DeathStrokeFan1626
(230 posts)
- 27 days, 13 hours ago
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Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.












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#11
Edited by
bleidd
(1131 posts)
- 27 days, 12 hours ago
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Killmonger has no unarmed feats but he's better than Diaz via implied skill. I'd say 50/50.















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CW Ricardo Diaz vs MCU Killmonger in the Octagon















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#1
Posted by

The_Hajduk
(4140 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
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UFC rules. This is before Erik took the herb.


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#2
Posted by

The_Magister
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- 1 month, 18 days ago
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I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.












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#3
Posted by

The_Hajduk
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- 1 month, 18 days ago
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@the_magister said:

I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.



Ricardo is primarily an MMA fighter so personally I think he has more skills for H2H.












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#4
Posted by

The_Magister
(11602 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
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@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.


So this is what Diaz has going for him:


  • A "bully" style of combat

  • Willing to play extremely dirty

  • Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)

  • Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver

As for Erik:


  • Accolades, training, and implied skill

  • Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)

  • Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)

  • Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)

imo, this really could swing either way.












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#5
Posted by

The_Hajduk
(4140 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
- Show Bio


@the_magister: Great post.












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#6
Posted by

jayc1324
(25859 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
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@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).


I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.












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#7
Posted by

Kevd4wg
(8879 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
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Eric is severely lacking in H2H feats. We can't really transfer the contest since he said he had been preparing for it and logically was very skilled at using those weapons.












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#8
Posted by

lubub55
(12705 posts)
- 27 days, 18 hours ago
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Close.












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#9
Posted by

TheTruthIII
(2868 posts)
- 27 days, 18 hours ago
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Killmonger is featless without the herb. He loses












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#10
Posted by

DeathStrokeFan1626
(230 posts)
- 27 days, 13 hours ago
- Show Bio


Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.












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#11
Edited by
bleidd
(1131 posts)
- 27 days, 12 hours ago
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Killmonger has no unarmed feats but he's better than Diaz via implied skill. I'd say 50/50.















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#1
Posted by

The_Hajduk
(4140 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
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UFC rules. This is before Erik took the herb.


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#2
Posted by

The_Magister
(11602 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
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I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.












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#3
Posted by

The_Hajduk
(4140 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
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@the_magister said:

I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.



Ricardo is primarily an MMA fighter so personally I think he has more skills for H2H.












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#4
Posted by

The_Magister
(11602 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
- Show Bio


@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.


So this is what Diaz has going for him:


  • A "bully" style of combat

  • Willing to play extremely dirty

  • Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)

  • Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver

As for Erik:


  • Accolades, training, and implied skill

  • Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)

  • Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)

  • Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)

imo, this really could swing either way.












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#5
Posted by

The_Hajduk
(4140 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
- Show Bio


@the_magister: Great post.












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#6
Posted by

jayc1324
(25859 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
- Show Bio


@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).


I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.












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#7
Posted by

Kevd4wg
(8879 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
- Show Bio


Eric is severely lacking in H2H feats. We can't really transfer the contest since he said he had been preparing for it and logically was very skilled at using those weapons.












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#8
Posted by

lubub55
(12705 posts)
- 27 days, 18 hours ago
- Show Bio


Close.












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#9
Posted by

TheTruthIII
(2868 posts)
- 27 days, 18 hours ago
- Show Bio


Killmonger is featless without the herb. He loses












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#10
Posted by

DeathStrokeFan1626
(230 posts)
- 27 days, 13 hours ago
- Show Bio


Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.












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#11
Edited by
bleidd
(1131 posts)
- 27 days, 12 hours ago
- Show Bio


Killmonger has no unarmed feats but he's better than Diaz via implied skill. I'd say 50/50.















Jump to Top

Jump to Last Read




























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#1
Posted by

The_Hajduk
(4140 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
- Show Bio


UFC rules. This is before Erik took the herb.


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#2
Posted by

The_Magister
(11602 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
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I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.












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#3
Posted by

The_Hajduk
(4140 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
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@the_magister said:

I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.



Ricardo is primarily an MMA fighter so personally I think he has more skills for H2H.












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#4
Posted by

The_Magister
(11602 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
- Show Bio


@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.


So this is what Diaz has going for him:


  • A "bully" style of combat

  • Willing to play extremely dirty

  • Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)

  • Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver

As for Erik:


  • Accolades, training, and implied skill

  • Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)

  • Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)

  • Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)

imo, this really could swing either way.












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#5
Posted by

The_Hajduk
(4140 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
- Show Bio


@the_magister: Great post.












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#6
Posted by

jayc1324
(25859 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
- Show Bio


@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).


I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.












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#7
Posted by

Kevd4wg
(8879 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
- Show Bio


Eric is severely lacking in H2H feats. We can't really transfer the contest since he said he had been preparing for it and logically was very skilled at using those weapons.












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#8
Posted by

lubub55
(12705 posts)
- 27 days, 18 hours ago
- Show Bio


Close.












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#9
Posted by

TheTruthIII
(2868 posts)
- 27 days, 18 hours ago
- Show Bio


Killmonger is featless without the herb. He loses












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#10
Posted by

DeathStrokeFan1626
(230 posts)
- 27 days, 13 hours ago
- Show Bio


Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.












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#11
Edited by
bleidd
(1131 posts)
- 27 days, 12 hours ago
- Show Bio


Killmonger has no unarmed feats but he's better than Diaz via implied skill. I'd say 50/50.















Jump to Top

Jump to Last Read


























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#1
Posted by

The_Hajduk
(4140 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
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UFC rules. This is before Erik took the herb.


No Caption Provided











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#2
Posted by

The_Magister
(11602 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
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I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.












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#3
Posted by

The_Hajduk
(4140 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
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@the_magister said:

I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.



Ricardo is primarily an MMA fighter so personally I think he has more skills for H2H.












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#4
Posted by

The_Magister
(11602 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
- Show Bio


@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.


So this is what Diaz has going for him:


  • A "bully" style of combat

  • Willing to play extremely dirty

  • Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)

  • Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver

As for Erik:


  • Accolades, training, and implied skill

  • Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)

  • Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)

  • Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)

imo, this really could swing either way.












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#5
Posted by

The_Hajduk
(4140 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
- Show Bio


@the_magister: Great post.












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#6
Posted by

jayc1324
(25859 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
- Show Bio


@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).


I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.












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#7
Posted by

Kevd4wg
(8879 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
- Show Bio


Eric is severely lacking in H2H feats. We can't really transfer the contest since he said he had been preparing for it and logically was very skilled at using those weapons.












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#8
Posted by

lubub55
(12705 posts)
- 27 days, 18 hours ago
- Show Bio


Close.












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#9
Posted by

TheTruthIII
(2868 posts)
- 27 days, 18 hours ago
- Show Bio


Killmonger is featless without the herb. He loses












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#10
Posted by

DeathStrokeFan1626
(230 posts)
- 27 days, 13 hours ago
- Show Bio


Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.












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#11
Edited by
bleidd
(1131 posts)
- 27 days, 12 hours ago
- Show Bio


Killmonger has no unarmed feats but he's better than Diaz via implied skill. I'd say 50/50.















Jump to Top

Jump to Last Read























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#1
Posted by

The_Hajduk
(4140 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
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UFC rules. This is before Erik took the herb.


No Caption Provided











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#2
Posted by

The_Magister
(11602 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
- Show Bio


I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.












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#3
Posted by

The_Hajduk
(4140 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
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@the_magister said:

I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.



Ricardo is primarily an MMA fighter so personally I think he has more skills for H2H.












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#4
Posted by

The_Magister
(11602 posts)
- 1 month, 18 days ago
- Show Bio


@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.


So this is what Diaz has going for him:


  • A "bully" style of combat

  • Willing to play extremely dirty

  • Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)

  • Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver

As for Erik:


  • Accolades, training, and implied skill

  • Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)

  • Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)

  • Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)

imo, this really could swing either way.












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@the_magister: Great post.












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@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).


I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.












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#7
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Eric is severely lacking in H2H feats. We can't really transfer the contest since he said he had been preparing for it and logically was very skilled at using those weapons.












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Killmonger is featless without the herb. He loses












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Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.












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Killmonger has no unarmed feats but he's better than Diaz via implied skill. I'd say 50/50.















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UFC rules. This is before Erik took the herb.


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UFC rules. This is before Erik took the herb.


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UFC rules. This is before Erik took the herb.


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UFC rules. This is before Erik took the herb.


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I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.








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#2
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I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.








#2
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I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.







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@the_magister said:

I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.



Ricardo is primarily an MMA fighter so personally I think he has more skills for H2H.








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#3
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@the_magister said:

I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.



Ricardo is primarily an MMA fighter so personally I think he has more skills for H2H.








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@the_magister said:

I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.



Ricardo is primarily an MMA fighter so personally I think he has more skills for H2H.







#3
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@the_magister said:

I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.



Ricardo is primarily an MMA fighter so personally I think he has more skills for H2H.





@the_magister said:

I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.





@the_magister said:


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#4
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@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.


So this is what Diaz has going for him:


  • A "bully" style of combat

  • Willing to play extremely dirty

  • Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)

  • Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver

As for Erik:


  • Accolades, training, and implied skill

  • Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)

  • Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)

  • Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)

imo, this really could swing either way.








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#4
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@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.


So this is what Diaz has going for him:


  • A "bully" style of combat

  • Willing to play extremely dirty

  • Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)

  • Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver

As for Erik:


  • Accolades, training, and implied skill

  • Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)

  • Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)

  • Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)

imo, this really could swing either way.








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@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.


So this is what Diaz has going for him:


  • A "bully" style of combat

  • Willing to play extremely dirty

  • Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)

  • Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver

As for Erik:


  • Accolades, training, and implied skill

  • Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)

  • Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)

  • Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)

imo, this really could swing either way.







#4
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The_Magister
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@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.


So this is what Diaz has going for him:


  • A "bully" style of combat

  • Willing to play extremely dirty

  • Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)

  • Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver

As for Erik:


  • Accolades, training, and implied skill

  • Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)

  • Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)

  • Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)

imo, this really could swing either way.













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#5
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@the_magister: Great post.








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#5
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@the_magister: Great post.








#5
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@the_magister: Great post.







#5
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@the_magister: Great post.









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#6
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@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).


I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.








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#6
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@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).


I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.








#6
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@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).


I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.







#6
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- 1 month, 18 days ago
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@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).


I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.









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#7
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Eric is severely lacking in H2H feats. We can't really transfer the contest since he said he had been preparing for it and logically was very skilled at using those weapons.








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#7
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Kevd4wg
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Eric is severely lacking in H2H feats. We can't really transfer the contest since he said he had been preparing for it and logically was very skilled at using those weapons.








#7
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Eric is severely lacking in H2H feats. We can't really transfer the contest since he said he had been preparing for it and logically was very skilled at using those weapons.







#7
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Eric is severely lacking in H2H feats. We can't really transfer the contest since he said he had been preparing for it and logically was very skilled at using those weapons.









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Killmonger is featless without the herb. He loses








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#9
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Killmonger is featless without the herb. He loses








#9
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Killmonger is featless without the herb. He loses







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Killmonger is featless without the herb. He loses









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#10
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Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.








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#10
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Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.








#10
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Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.







#10
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Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.









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#11
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Killmonger has no unarmed feats but he's better than Diaz via implied skill. I'd say 50/50.








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#11
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Killmonger has no unarmed feats but he's better than Diaz via implied skill. I'd say 50/50.








#11
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Killmonger has no unarmed feats but he's better than Diaz via implied skill. I'd say 50/50.







#11
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Killmonger has no unarmed feats but he's better than Diaz via implied skill. I'd say 50/50.









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