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I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.
Ricardo is primarily an MMA fighter so personally I think he has more skills for H2H.
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@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.
So this is what Diaz has going for him:
- A "bully" style of combat
- Willing to play extremely dirty
- Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)
- Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver
As for Erik:
- Accolades, training, and implied skill
- Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)
- Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)
- Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)
imo, this really could swing either way.
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@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).
I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.
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Eric is severely lacking in H2H feats. We can't really transfer the contest since he said he had been preparing for it and logically was very skilled at using those weapons.
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Killmonger is featless without the herb. He loses
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Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.
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Killmonger has no unarmed feats but he's better than Diaz via implied skill. I'd say 50/50.
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@the_magister said:
I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.
Ricardo is primarily an MMA fighter so personally I think he has more skills for H2H.
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@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.
So this is what Diaz has going for him:
- A "bully" style of combat
- Willing to play extremely dirty
- Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)
- Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver
As for Erik:
- Accolades, training, and implied skill
- Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)
- Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)
- Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)
imo, this really could swing either way.
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@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).
I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.
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Eric is severely lacking in H2H feats. We can't really transfer the contest since he said he had been preparing for it and logically was very skilled at using those weapons.
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Killmonger is featless without the herb. He loses
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Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.
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@the_magister said:
I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.
Ricardo is primarily an MMA fighter so personally I think he has more skills for H2H.
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@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.
So this is what Diaz has going for him:
- A "bully" style of combat
- Willing to play extremely dirty
- Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)
- Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver
As for Erik:
- Accolades, training, and implied skill
- Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)
- Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)
- Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)
imo, this really could swing either way.
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@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).
I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.
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Eric is severely lacking in H2H feats. We can't really transfer the contest since he said he had been preparing for it and logically was very skilled at using those weapons.
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Killmonger is featless without the herb. He loses
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Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.
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Killmonger has no unarmed feats but he's better than Diaz via implied skill. I'd say 50/50.
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@the_magister said:
I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.
Ricardo is primarily an MMA fighter so personally I think he has more skills for H2H.
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@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.
So this is what Diaz has going for him:
- A "bully" style of combat
- Willing to play extremely dirty
- Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)
- Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver
As for Erik:
- Accolades, training, and implied skill
- Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)
- Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)
- Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)
imo, this really could swing either way.
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@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).
I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.
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Eric is severely lacking in H2H feats. We can't really transfer the contest since he said he had been preparing for it and logically was very skilled at using those weapons.
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Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.
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Killmonger has no unarmed feats but he's better than Diaz via implied skill. I'd say 50/50.
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@the_magister said:
I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.
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@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.
So this is what Diaz has going for him:
- A "bully" style of combat
- Willing to play extremely dirty
- Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)
- Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver
As for Erik:
- Accolades, training, and implied skill
- Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)
- Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)
- Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)
imo, this really could swing either way.
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@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).
I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.
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Eric is severely lacking in H2H feats. We can't really transfer the contest since he said he had been preparing for it and logically was very skilled at using those weapons.
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Killmonger is featless without the herb. He loses
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Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.
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Killmonger has no unarmed feats but he's better than Diaz via implied skill. I'd say 50/50.
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UFC rules. This is before Erik took the herb.

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@the_magister said:
I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.
Ricardo is primarily an MMA fighter so personally I think he has more skills for H2H.
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@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.
So this is what Diaz has going for him:
- A "bully" style of combat
- Willing to play extremely dirty
- Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)
- Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver
As for Erik:
- Accolades, training, and implied skill
- Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)
- Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)
- Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)
imo, this really could swing either way.
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@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).
I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.
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Eric is severely lacking in H2H feats. We can't really transfer the contest since he said he had been preparing for it and logically was very skilled at using those weapons.
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Killmonger is featless without the herb. He loses
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Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.
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Killmonger has no unarmed feats but he's better than Diaz via implied skill. I'd say 50/50.
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UFC rules. This is before Erik took the herb.

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@the_magister said:
I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.
Ricardo is primarily an MMA fighter so personally I think he has more skills for H2H.
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@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.
So this is what Diaz has going for him:
- A "bully" style of combat
- Willing to play extremely dirty
- Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)
- Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver
As for Erik:
- Accolades, training, and implied skill
- Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)
- Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)
- Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)
imo, this really could swing either way.
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@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).
I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.
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Killmonger is featless without the herb. He loses
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Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.
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Killmonger has no unarmed feats but he's better than Diaz via implied skill. I'd say 50/50.
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UFC rules. This is before Erik took the herb.

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UFC rules. This is before Erik took the herb.

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UFC rules. This is before Erik took the herb.

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UFC rules. This is before Erik took the herb.

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I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.
Ricardo is primarily an MMA fighter so personally I think he has more skills for H2H.
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@the_magister said:
I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.
Ricardo is primarily an MMA fighter so personally I think he has more skills for H2H.
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@the_magister said:
I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.
Ricardo is primarily an MMA fighter so personally I think he has more skills for H2H.
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@the_magister said:
I'll come back to this after seeing what people have to say.
Ricardo is primarily an MMA fighter so personally I think he has more skills for H2H.
@the_magister said:
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@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.
So this is what Diaz has going for him:
- A "bully" style of combat
- Willing to play extremely dirty
- Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)
- Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver
As for Erik:
- Accolades, training, and implied skill
- Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)
- Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)
- Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)
imo, this really could swing either way.
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@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.
So this is what Diaz has going for him:
- A "bully" style of combat
- Willing to play extremely dirty
- Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)
- Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver
As for Erik:
- Accolades, training, and implied skill
- Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)
- Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)
- Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)
imo, this really could swing either way.
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@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.
So this is what Diaz has going for him:
- A "bully" style of combat
- Willing to play extremely dirty
- Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)
- Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver
As for Erik:
- Accolades, training, and implied skill
- Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)
- Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)
- Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)
imo, this really could swing either way.
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@the_hajduk: The problem is, it is difficult to ascertain how well Diaz's "bully" style would hold up against Erik. Erik has like one feat without the herb, and it wasn't h2h. We can judge his skill after he's gotten his herb and deduce that he must've gotten all the training from before he had the herb, but that makes things super complicated.
So this is what Diaz has going for him:
- A "bully" style of combat
- Willing to play extremely dirty
- Favorable feat against Thea (albeit a recovering Thea)
- Decent (though not fantastic) feats against Oliver
As for Erik:
- Accolades, training, and implied skill
- Fighting off the Dora Milaje (with herb)
- Fighting evenly with T'Challa (with herb)
- Beating T'Challa in ritual combat (without herb, but not pure h2h)
imo, this really could swing either way.
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@the_magister: Great post.
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@the_magister: Great post.
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@the_magister: Great post.
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@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).
I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.
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@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).
I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.
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@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).
I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.
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@the_magister: IMO Erik's skill feats with the herb should not count for without the herb. Some of the moves Erik, and all supersoldiers, do are not physically possibly to do as a normal human. That triple spinning kick BP did against Cap in CW comes to mind. They also obviously have enhanced speed, durability, strength, flexibility and agility, which is going to affect the moves they are able to do. Erik's only feat without the herb is matching T'Challa (I say this because T'Challa could have killed him but yielded, so he is not better than T'Challa).
I think Diaz's feat with Oliver is all he needs to make a case for him, given that he countered plenty of Oliver's attacks, showing speed, strength, and skill, and took plenty of Oliver's hits, showing great durability. He had to fight dirty to win but he left Oliver bloodied in the face as well.
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Eric is severely lacking in H2H feats. We can't really transfer the contest since he said he had been preparing for it and logically was very skilled at using those weapons.
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Eric is severely lacking in H2H feats. We can't really transfer the contest since he said he had been preparing for it and logically was very skilled at using those weapons.
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Eric is severely lacking in H2H feats. We can't really transfer the contest since he said he had been preparing for it and logically was very skilled at using those weapons.
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Eric is severely lacking in H2H feats. We can't really transfer the contest since he said he had been preparing for it and logically was very skilled at using those weapons.
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Killmonger is featless without the herb. He loses
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Killmonger is featless without the herb. He loses
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Killmonger is featless without the herb. He loses
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Killmonger is featless without the herb. He loses
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Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.
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Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.
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Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.
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Off spoken accolades and should be's, Killmonger. But since that's all conjecture, Diaz simply has better feats we can actually see.
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Killmonger has no unarmed feats but he's better than Diaz via implied skill. I'd say 50/50.
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Killmonger has no unarmed feats but he's better than Diaz via implied skill. I'd say 50/50.
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Killmonger has no unarmed feats but he's better than Diaz via implied skill. I'd say 50/50.
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Killmonger has no unarmed feats but he's better than Diaz via implied skill. I'd say 50/50.
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