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• Location : Al'doleem


• Distance : 15 M


• No prior knowledge

I'm sure the pictures in the OP weren't chosen in order to sway people into believing certain stances. :>

As for the thread, is this Legends prime Maul or Canon prime Maul?

Maul.

No, Kirak is more powerful than Kenobi.

Maul.

Well, it's no contest. Maul's lightsaber skills are apparently second only to Sidious within the Sith.

Besides, wasn't Vader fresh outta the workshop while fighting Kirak?

I think that kirak can take this, his battle against vader is really impressive

Not sure. Could be swayed either way.

@in-sidiousvader:

Again, the validity of the source is questioned even by the maker of the RT.

Besides, this is an all-out fight. Kirak has demonstrated nothing on Maul's level. Besides, he was defeated by a Vader months after Mustafar. If that weakened iteration of Vader could defeat Kirak, then I really, really fail to see how Maul couldn't.

I'd advise you to stop using Kirak to wank Vader. It'll lead nowhere.

@in-sidiousvader:

No, he is not. The "more powerful Jedi than Vader has ever faced before" comes from the Marvel comic promotion site. Not the comic itself. I doubt it's official.

Also the comic itself takes the time to distinguish

When Anakin Skywalker fell, both to the pull of the dark side and to the blade of Obi-Wan Kenobi, he rose back up, more machine than man. Having lost everything that was once dear to him, the former Chosen One must take his first steps to a darker world... as Darth Vader,

Star Wars Darth Vader :The Chosen One part I

That Anakin fought Kenobi on Mustafar and Vader is the one going forward.

So no. There is nothing to indicate Kirak>Kenobi.

Kirak is pretty disappointing actually Maul takes this easily.

Kirak fought a severely injured Vader. How is this fair?

Maul

Where do you guys rank Kirak? Tier 7 or Tier 8?

Let's remember what we know about Kirak;

• He has specialized in lightsaber combat during his time as an active Jedi Master.


• He kept his skills ripe by constantly training with a Jedi training droid named Arex.


• He was able to fight with Arex and assemble four Padawan traps with the Force at the same time.


• He sends those padawan traps with enough power to damage Vader's space shuttle.


• He was able to break Vader's Force choke by using his mastery of the Force.


• He defeated a damaged RotS post-suit Vader in combat.

Both, composite feats. But if you feel it's unfair (since Kirak is only canon) you can use only Canon prime Maul as well.

@erkan12: Mid 7 seems fair.

• He has specialized in lightsaber combat during his time as an active Jedi Master.

Like any other Jedi Guardian would really.

• He kept his skills ripe by constantly training with a Jedi training droid named Arex.

An old droid. Magnaguards were more advanced and had near the same programming and weren't that much of a challenge for proper 7's and 8's

• He was able to break Vader's Force choke by using his mastery of the Force.

He didn't break the hold. He muscled through it via pain tolerance and retaliated.

It's a lot like me breaking out of a choke by kicking the other person in the balls. I didn't overpower them. I struck back while they were otherwise pre-occupied. Vader had no issue pelting him with rocks a few pages later so I wouldn't put much stock in his force defences

• He defeated a damaged RotS post-suit Vader in combat.

A nerfed already wounded Vader who had to go through a gauntlet before reaching him. Even then, Kirak didn't outfence Vader. His mechanical leg gave out from the ambush earlier. And later when he did land an actual saber blow it was against an injured Vader who then ragdolled him.

So yeah. In and around Qui-Gon level sounds good for him.

Eeth Koth (he was able to overpower Grievous with a wounded arm) had a very high pain tolerance,

And he never did the same.

Next time we see Koth;

Heavily wounded, and bleeding from his eye.

This is a pure pain tolerance without having the necessary Force mastery to counter Vader, somehow he is still fighting, however he couldn't counter Vader with the Force as Kirak did.

While being Force choked he reached out with the Force and Force pushed him from a distance, that's indeed impressive.

Now compare that to Dooku (who could do the same to Savage)

Or, Vader's leg gave out due to Kirak's hard press, implied by Kirak's statement ; ''you're weak, you couldn't have done it alone, there must be someone else, a master.''

Vader has repaired his leg in the second round and Kirak outfenced Vader by landing a blow to his shoulder;

Due to a distraction outside of the duel. Vader could do that earlier, but he only find the chance to do it when Kirak was heavily distracted.

Kirak staggering Vader and landing a blow to his shoulder aren't even Barriss Offee-level feats lmao.

Kirak's best feat is tagging an injured pleb Vader.

Maul stomps.

It wasn't even months, iirc. It's likely a few days, post-Mustafar. A few weeks at best.

Maul wins.

Maul kills, even if Kirak is being downplayed here

Maul.

Maul.

I don't think the Darth Vader 2017 screen cap is helpful. Vader was newly suited and adapting to his new body. We don't really have a good gauge here for Kirak other than he is powerful enough to take on Vader and technically defeat Vader with a saber. Vader is hindered, but then he's still one of the best. I'm thinking that most likely a prime Maul, either Legends or Canon, could have defeated Vader at this precise time in Vader's life because Vader is not yet accustomed to his new body and suit.

I am not sure if Maul would defeat Kirak with only sabers. Let's skip the guesswork and go with the scenario that Kirack is better with sabers and defeats Maul. I think that the ending would be similar to what we see in the Vader comic: Maul would use the Dark Side and kill Kirack by using Kirack's "weakness" against him-his compassion.

However, I think that a Prime Maul has a good chance to destroy Kirak. Before Maul was 22, he met a similar Jedi who went off by himself to become...ICR...more enlightened, at one with the Force...A Jedi who was quite the combatant, Siolour'Manka. Maul could not defeat him, and yet Maul still defeated him because of his intelligence and adaptability. Maul was already formidable and had defeated the Jedi Order's Battlemaster, Bondara, with skill only. Shortly afterward, he defeated one of the Order's greatest duelists, Jinn. As Maul reached his prime, he continued to kill other Jedi greats.

Then again, we really don't know much about Kirak other than he dueled a newly created Vader and defeated him with weapons only. If this is lightsabers only, then I can't give an answer. If this includes the Force and Maul's use of the Dark Side, then Maul wins.